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I think you can file this under ‘things I like’. Even though the web is my life, I always love going into a cool shop that is trying to do something different and is passionate about the products they sell, which seems to be the case for all the stores that Margin are profiling in their video tours. With Margin being a London-based tradeshow it is hardly surprising to find that the majority of the shop tours are for British shops, but there are a few from Continental Europe too. Check them all out at the Vimeo Shop Tours Channel.



I won’t be able to make it down to this week to the Roktic pop up shop, but I wholeheartedly recommend that London based HYAers do (and drop me an e-mail to say what you thought if you do go, please).


HYA Tours the Spreadshirt HQ in Leipzig

by Andy on June 30, 2009


Whilst I was in Berlin for T-Shirt Day it seemed like a great idea to hop on the ICE train (which isn’t as cool as it sounds) and head 100 miles south of the capital to the city of Leipzig to check out Spreadshirt’s much-larger-than-I-expected HQ and production facility. If any of you are wondering, “who the devil are these Spreadshirt folks?” Well, they’re the largest (I think) print-on-demand supplier in Europe, and they also have offices and production in America, meaning that whichever side of the Atlantic you’re on you can get a high-quality customised tee pretty darn quick. I actually have a tee from 2004 that I bought from Spreadshirt (yeah, I was all about the tees even before I started HYA!) that’s still going strong, so they really do know how to make tees, and presumably they’re even better quality now.

Upon getting off the train in Leipzig’s beautiful station I was met by Adam from Tee Junction who was going to act as my tour guide to the city, and I don’t think he’d actually had a tour of the new Spreadshirt facility as he had left the company before they moved in, so the day wasn’t a waste for him, hopefully. I always say that the best way to get a feel for a city is to walk through it, you don’t see much when you take public transport (especially if it’s underground, obviously), so we walked from the station to Spreadshirt through the lovely old centre of the city and the huge park to the more industrial side of the city. One strange thing about Leipzig is that there are a lot of abandoned buildings in the city because of vast numbers of people (around 500,000 people in a city of 1 million) leaving the city after the collapse of the wall and re-unification of Germany, many of those people never returned, meaning that there is lots of unoccupied space. Even just across the road from Spreadshirt’s freshly-renovated building there was a really nice building that had clearly received no love for many years and sat empty. According to Adam this situation means that rents in the city a very low not only for housing but for business as well, so people will set up businesses as a hobby that are only open for a few days a month, it’s a strange concept to me, but I like it.

As you can see from the picture at the top of the post, it’s pretty easy to spot the Spreadshirt building because it’s covered in everyone’s favourite item of clothing. Apparently you don’t need to give taxi drivers the address to Spreadshirt because they all know about “the building with the t-shirts on it.” It’s pretty hard to miss as well, seeing as it takes up a whole block.


Eike (seen here on the right at T-Shirt Day Berlin) decided we should start our tour on the top roof deck of the building, giving us a good view over the city. The weather hasn’t treated them too well so far this year so the roof decks haven’t seen much use, but they hope to use them for events when it starts to heat up. I might be wrong in remembering this, but I’m pretty sure that the roof deck spaces (there’s more than one) if combined would actually be larger than their old offices, which shows how much of a step up the move was for them.


We then moved down to a meeting room/kitchen/break room, passing a couple of guys playing table tennis on the way, from the looks of the league on the wall next to the table these guys get pretty serious about the table tennis competitions. Can you believe that the kitchen above is in a t-shirt companies offices? It looks like it should be in a showroom!


What self-respecting internet company could have offices and not have a foosball table?


This meeting space shows how light and airy the building is, I think that they might have more room than they know what to do with!


This picture obviously doesn’t illustrate it particularly well, but in one of the receptions they have a life-size model of Batman, Eike didn’t seem to really know why it was there, but I’m sure that it’s an important addition to every office.


I remember Adam being pretty excited about the addition of Fatboy chairs/bean bags to the office, and wondered why they weren’t there back in his day.


In one of the larger offices, because the ceilings are so high they were having problems with noise and echoes, the innovative solution to this problem was right under their nose, t-shirts! They hung a load of t-shirts up and now they help to stop the noise bouncing around the room.


These pieces of wall art are made of t-shirts they printed in the factory and stretched around frames, which I thought was a really cool idea. Some of you may recognise the broken up image as one of the finalists for the Open Logo Competition that Spreadshirt held to find their new logo.


This is the returns room. You’re probably quite alarmed by the amount of items in there, but I couldn’t actually see anything technically wrong with the couple of items I picked up. I get the feeling that a lot of people just return items when they receive them because the message that they thought would be funny on a tee really isn’t, or they made an error when picking the fonts and colourway. I get that feeling because most of the returns I picked up were really badly designed.


This returned tee that Adam found made me a bit sad, because why would return a tee that says “I [heart] my boyfriend” when there’s nothing wrong with the tee. A lot of the returned tees get given away to charity, and staff are regularly allowed to rummage around and take them too, so presumably most of the people at Spreadshirt have really weird t-shirt collections.


Along this corridor only about half of the office spaces were occupied because they still haven’t worked out what to do with the rooms, I think some of the ideas thrown around included a studio for recording video (there was already a photo studio along the corridor) and maybe even a room just for playing Wii in. It must be cool having all this space that they have to think up cool stuff to do with rather than having cool ideas with nowhere to implement them.


A lot of the offices and rooms in the building have been given names, sometimes the names have a purpose, and sometimes they make no sense at all. I was disappointed to hear that this room doesn’t glow in the dark…


And here she is, the production floor. As you can see, it is a large space, filled with lots of Germans working in a stereotypically efficient and hard-working manner.


I think that these guys might have even more tees than I do!


This machine is one of about six (I can’t remember how many) that print/cut the designs on the various vinyls and foils that Spreadshirt offer, each machine has been given a name (this one is called ‘John’), presumably just to cut down on confusion between machines rather than just being cute.


These are the people that remove the ‘scrap’ vinyl from each sheet leaving just the bits of vinyl that are to be pressed onto the shirt. The rate at which they worked was really impressive, I’m sure if I were to do it there would be an awful lot of prints being thrown into the rejects bin.


These people check over every item before it leaves the factory to ensure it meets quality control standards.


Whilst it isn’t a large part of their business, Spreadshirt do have a DTG (direct-to-garment) printing machine, and it was really cool to see it in action as I’ve never witness it before. It’s basically a really big inkjet printer, which you think actually makes the process less interesting since I’d presume most of you are reading this post with a printer a couple of feet away from you, but it was fascinating watching a design appear on a t-shirt with each pass of the print head. The printed t-shirt then goes through a large dryer (to the left, out of shot), which I think can best be described as a jumbo-sized version of one of those toasters that you only ever see in hotels where you put your bread on to a conveyor belt and the toast comes out the other end.


As we were leaving the production facility Eike pointed out the test lab where they put every item in the store through it’s paces. The rather bedraggled tee you can see above is the cheapest t-shirt they sell, and it has been put through 100 wash and dry cycles, so it’s hardly a surprise that it’s not looking too good, though the print seems to have held up fairly well.


I’ve missed out on some of the office space, partially because I don’t like taking pictures of random people (even though Eike told me it was okay) and partly because a lot of the pictures I took came out pretty poorly, so if you were thinking that it didn’t seem as big as I was describing it, there’s quite a lot more offices, and a lot more people, than you can see in the photos. After the tour Adam and I caught a tram back into the centre of the city (unfortunately it wasn’t one of the Cold War era relics that I’d seen rolling around, but trams are always fun) and went for ice cream…


… and beer. You know how when you go into a restaurant in America you automatically get given water? They have the same kind of thing in Germany except you get beer. Okay, that isn’t strictly true, but it sure does feel like it. We were later joined by Evan Eggers (who, if you remember, I’d met the day before at T-Shirt Day) for another beer before I headed back to Berlin on the train. Good times!


Thanks to Adam and Eike for guiding me around the city and the Spreadshirt HQ (aka ‘T-Shirt Geek Disneyland’)!

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Print Liberation Store in Philadelphia

When I left Philly to embark on my great journey around the West coast I resigned myself to the fact that I wouldn’t get to visit the new Print Liberation store up in Northern Liberties. However, before flying home to Great Britain (emphasis on the Great), I did spend a couple more days in Philly and went out to a great Mexican place that served grilled baby octopus that tasted exactly like chicken lo mein, and whilst we were there one of my dining companions (who is probably reading this) mentioned that the store wasn’t that far away, so we headed down after finishing our margaritas. By the way, how amazing are margaritas? It’s as if someone took lemonade, and decided it wasn’t awesome enough yet, so they put booze in it.

I’d love to tell you that the store itself is a Johnny Cupcake-esque journey of wonder and amazement, but it’s just a normal store, with a table tennis table in it. It’s cool, don’t get me wrong, I like Print Liberation’s tees because they’re bold and simple, so it makes sense that the store sticks to the same aesthetic, but I didn’t want to build it up for you too much. In other PL-related news, they’ve started selling one-off test tees (haha, testees!) which could probably be summed up as ‘normal Print Liberation tees + a bucket of crazy + thumbprints’, they aren’t my bag, but I’m sure some of you will enjoy the mystery of buying a t-shirt that can essentially be looked upon as a ‘mistake’.

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Pics of Graniph’s new Harajuku Store

by Andy on March 15, 2009


When I went to Tokyo in 2007 I knew who Graniph were, but it was only when I stepped inside their little store in Harajuku that I fell a little bit in love with them, something which is probably obvious from the amount of digital column inches I give them on such a regular basis. I even bought a tee there, it was a size large, and the girl behind the counter looked at me quizzically, and I explained that it wasn’t for me, it was a fairly funny moment, but now that I’ve written it it doesn’t seem even remotely humourous. Moving on!

Basically, what I’m saying it they had a cool store, with some fantastic designs, but it was pretty small. That’s all changed, they’ve opened up a new flagship store, and it looks pretty damn cool, certainly a spot that should be part of any tee pilgrimage.

For those of you that won’t be able to make it to Tokyo (here’s their shoplist), Graniph have an up to 30% off sale going online at the moment.

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Cupcakes? At Johnny Cupcakes? Madness!

by Andy on March 14, 2009


St. Patrick’s day is right around the corner and Johnny Cupcakes has some great gear and gifts to make your St. Patty’s day the best yet! All three Johnny cupcakes locations will be giving away delicious cupcakes to celebrate so make sure to swing by one of the three locations if you’re in the area to get a treat and pick up one of his Clover t-shirts made from 100% Leprecotton. Of course you can buy any t-shirt to get your cupcake on.

I think that something this light is the very definition of a weekend post! I still can’t quite get over how much Americans get into St. Patrick’s Day, it’s crazy, kinda make me wish I was here for Independence Day, y’know, an event Americans are actually meant to celebrate.

Check out the clover tees in the gallery


Super Bored Grand Opening

by Andy on March 3, 2009


I know I promised you I’d grab some exclusive pics of the Mishka NYC x Ubiq pop up store, but I haven’t got round to it quite yet, so here’s some shots from the other ‘cool store opening of the week’, Super Bored (from Wrongwroks) over in Vancouver (1701 West 4th Ave).

Looks like a really great store, it’s a pity I can’t leave the country and re-enter under my visa, otherwise I probably would have made Vancouver a stop-off on my American odyssey, so I guess that these pics are as close as I’ll be getting to Super Bored.

More pics of the store and the opening party in the gallery.

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Wrongwroks are opening their very own store in Vancouver!

There’s going to be a party instore on Saturday, so if you’re a Vancouverite/Vancouverian/Vancouvanino/Vancadian head on down and check it out, but RSVP first, it’s only polite, I’ve included the flyer in the gallery.

Also in the gallery are the latest Wrongwroks releases (I know, they never stop), a few hats this time around.

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mens womenslinc

Gee Andy, how are you doing in America? Well? So much so that the first proper post from Philly involves one of the greatest icons of American history? And the company producing the tee are actually from Philadelphia? And you’re posting pictures of the Stars and Stripes on your personal blog? Yeah, sounds like you’re settling in well.


Okay, I don’t know what that last paragraph was (was I talking to myself? Was someone else talking to me? Was it that nice homeless man I met this evening?) but I am indeed having a good time in Philly. But you don’t care about that, you care about tees. Abraham Lincoln was born on February 12th 1809, so his bicentennial is coming up, and Art in the Age decided to celebrate this in a pretty big way. They’ve released the two limited edition tees shown above, the images for which were sourced from the archives of the Historical Society of Pennsylvania, who will be receiving a portion of all sales of the tees. In addition to that, they’re holding a contest to give away bevy of Honest Abe related goodies, including the tee (obviously), a postcard of his assassination (sure, why not!), and a beautiful silk-screened poster portrait of Lincoln that is made up of the text from the Emancipation Proclamation. It’s pretty rare that the terms ‘beautiful’ and ‘Lincoln’ get used in the same sentence, but I spotted the poster in the office today at the place I’m interning and it looked awesome. To be eligible all you have to do is sign up for their mailing list before the drawing on Feb. 28th, all the details you need can be found here.


Lastly, they’re hosting an exhibition at their bricks & mortar store in Old City, Philadelphia called “The Great Lincoln! Memorial Tableaux” which is a gallery of the artwork that they put out an open call for back in December. The exhibition starts tomorrow (Friday Feb. 6th), with a reception in the store between 6pm and 8pm, and runs until the end of the month. I’m going to be there, so if any Philly-based HYA readers are in the area be sure to pop in and say hello. Oh, and as if famous Andy from HYA being there isn’t enticing enough, they’ve got a big sale on too. Details of the event can be found here.


Where to buy great t-shirts in London

by Andy on September 5, 2008


When I was down in London recently I was doing some shopping and naturally I wanted to see what the capital had to offer in terms of t-shirts. I’d done a little research before my trip, and found a few cool places, but I couldn’t find exactly what I was after. I figured that if I’m searching for that kind of info on the internet, then other people probably are too, so I thought it might be a good idea to make a list of clothing stores in London.

Upper Playground

Address: 31 Kingly Street, London, W1 (Google Maps Link)
Upper Playground have six retail stores, five of them are on the West Coast of the U.S., and luckily for us, one of them is in London.


Address: 19 Fouberts Place, W1F 7PZ (Google Maps Link)
If you’re going to Upper Playground, you may as well pop around the corner and head down Fouberts Place, where you’ll find Demo. It’s a fairly small shop, but it’s a veritable aladdin’s cave of top notch streetwear. Demo also happens to be the only place in the UK where I’ve seen Imaginary Foundation on sale, so its well worth a vist. Oh, and they have XLarge too.

Super Superficial

Address: 17 Fouberts Place, W1F 7QD and Kingly Court
I don’t know why Super Superficial‘s only retail shops are within a couple of minutes walk of each other, but as long as they keep producing such great designs and offering Graniph-style discounts for buying more than one tee then I’ll be paying them a visit. If you want to pick between the two, I’d pick the Kingly Court shop, it feels a little larger, and I like the way they’ve fitted it out, but I assume they both offer the same range of designs.


Address: 42 Carnaby Street, W1F 7DY (Google Maps Link)
Howies are a Welsh brand (who are astoundingly frank and open in their ‘about us‘ section) that produce really cool, simple tee designs. They started out life as a skate/bike brand, so you see a lot of those themes running through the shirts. Oh, and they’re eco-friendly too!

Chateau Roux

[Picture credit: Super Indellible] Address: 17 Newburgh Street, W1F 7RZ (Google Maps Link)
Chateau Roux are a pretty young brand (launched May 2006), but they’ve managed to get pretty big, pretty fast, and opening their first store earlier this year is strong testament to that. I wonder what kind of packaging they use when you buy a tee there, because when you get one in the post its a pretty special occasion.

Lazy Oaf

Address: Kingly Court (Google Maps Link)
Lazy Oaf had a face-lift recently, and boy does it look cool. The LO shop sells all kinds of things, clothing, jewelry, and stationary to name a few, all of which have sprung from the creative mind of Gemma Shiel.


Address: 188 Brick Lane, E1 6SA (Google Maps Link)
We’re moving away from the Carnaby area now, and heading to the land of Terratag, the guys who are all about Gundam, Graff, and Girls. They have a flagship store on Brick Lane (though they are stocked in a number of other locations across London and the rest of the UK) that shows off both their clothing lines and printed art.

Your Eyes Lie


[Can’t find a picture of the store, sorry guys] Address: Unit 6b, Camden Lock, NW1 8AL (Google Maps Link)
Your Eyes Lie is a brand run by a British and Thai designer that make some pretty darned awesome black and white tees, though they have started branching into the world of colours.

Concrete Hermit


[more pictures here] Address: 5a Club Row, London, E1 6JX (Google Maps Link)
Just a stone’s throw from Brick Lane, Concrete Hermit have a brilliant gallery/store that is well worth a visit. I’ve done a full review of the store that can be found here, but the short version is that they sell art and tees done by the artists that they feature in the gallery.


[Picture credit: northerncontinent] Address: 8 Earlham Street, WC2H 9RY (Google Maps Link) & 117 Clerkenwell Road, EC1R 5BY (Google Maps Link)
Technically, Magma is actually a design bookstore, but considering they sell some 2k by Gingham tees I think I can shoehorn one of my favourite London stores into this list. I can almost guarantee that if I ever enter this store I’ll be walking out with a red plastic bag that has T magazine (or something else achingly cool) in it.


Address: 7 Upper James Street, W1F 9DF (Google Maps Link)
Hideout deals with higher-end streetwear labels such as Supreme, Billionaire Boys Club, and Neighborhood, so expect to leave this store with a far lighter wallet than you went in with.

Slam City Skates

Address: 16 Neal’s Yard, Covent Garden, London, WC2H 9DP (Google Maps Link)
As you’d imagine from the name, Slam City Skates is heaven for skaters, but a lot of their clothing is friendly to those of us that have the balance of a top-heavy pin stood on a piece of rope between the Grand Canyon in a high-wind (… I can’t skate).

I’m sure that I’m missing loads of great stores off, but since I don’t go to London all that much I haven’t had a lot of opportunity to go exploring, so if you know of a shop that should be on this list when I’m next down in the big smoke then leave a comment and I’ll add it to the list (after a thorough vetting process of me deciding whether its cool or not).


Back To School Bake Sale at Johnny Cupcakes

by Andy on August 15, 2008

Another day, another back to school sale. This time its Johnny Cupcakes getting in on the action, so if you were one of the people refusing to buy a JC tee because they’re usually around $35 a pop, now you can complain that they’re around $25 a pop for a limited time.

Oh, and his LA store is open now, there’s tons of pictures on the site of the new store, for which there was a line of around 600 people for the opening (were they selling iPhones or something?).

Johnny Cupcakes


Wow, I’m really linking the posts well at the moment aren’t I? The last post mentioned tea, and this one is about a Finnish t-shirt boutique with a tea pun in its name, its almost as if I actually plan this stuff!

I know that most of you don’t live in Helsinki (Finland accounted for 0.5% of HYAs traffic last month), and I don’t think its an international tourist hot spot (I went once, it was lovely, I ate reindeer & went to the Olympic stadium), but I really like the look of this boutique in the Finnish capital, mostly because the list of brands they stock sounds a lot like the people I write about (Design By Humans, EIO Clothing, Chateau Roux, Threadless, plus many others). If I were to ever open up a t-shirt shop I think it would be almost exactly like My Cup Of T, so if you happen to be on Iso Roobertinkatu street pop in and check them out.

My Cup Of T


Yackfou’s new store in Berlin

Shirtspotting headed down to Yackfou‘s store on opening day to take advantage of that special 50% off one-day sale, and also to snap a few pictures. Google Translate hasn’t done a particularly good job in letting us non-German speakers understand what Markus is actually saying, but from what I can tell, he likes it.Click on through for more pictures.

Yackfou Shop Opening @ Shirtspotting (Google Tanslated) (Original German version)

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Yackfou open a shop? Wunderbar!

by Andy on June 30, 2008


Do you remember Yackfou? They’re a bunch of Berliners who produce clothes that have a touch of awesome about them, and now you don’t just have to buy those clothes online, you can buy them in their shop (yes, a real shop, with windows and stuff).Well, not quite yet, the shop, located on the Boxhagener Platz, Friedrichshain, in the centre of Berlin, doesn’t actually open until July 5th, and when it does, Berliners, you’re gonna want to head down. On the opening day, everything in the shop is going to have 50% off, which certainly isn’t a price cut to be sniffed at (whatever that means). They’ll also be selling prototype and sample pieces in the shop, which is nice.




Yes Huzzah Goods, you are being quoted in the title.

Karmaloop aren’t just one of the world’s biggest streetwear websites, they also have a traditional bricks and mortar store on Newbury Street, Boston (the same street as Johnny Cupcakes store) which has just been redesigned and reopened. I don’t know what it looked like before, but I know it looks pretty freakin’ sweet now. They’ll be selling some of the products that are available online, as well as a few lines that are going to be exclusive to the store. You can also shop online in the store if they don’t stock something you want, and you’ll get free shipping on those online orders, which is quite a clever way of marrying the online and offline experience.

As you’d expect, they’ve also put together a video on KarmaloopTV where the Karmaloop CEO, Greg Selkoe gives you a guided tour of the new retail space. Also as you’d expect, I’ve embedded that video below.

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Johnny Cupcakes LA shoppe SNEAK PEEK 1 from Johnny Cupcakes on Vimeo.

I called it! I totally called it!

My last Johnny Cupcakes post was titled “Johnny Cupcakes is turning into Willie Wonka”, and take a guess what he said in the latest mailout?

I almost feel like the Willy Wonka of t-shirts. I enjoy making people feel like kids again.

Yep, I’m feeling pretty good right now, why? Because I totally called it! If you haven’t noticed, I’m a really bad winner (hell, you don’t want to see me lose), so when I get something right its usually best to just walk away for about five minutes until I’ve stopped gloating.

Anyway, JC has dropped a video (feed reader… readers may need to click through to watch the embedded vid) that explains all the goings on at the new store, it doesn’t give us much more information, but its good to have a video to help me visualise the shop. When this place opens if there aren’t any good pictures on Flickr or the JC site I might have to get my guy in LA to cover it.

Johnny Cupcakes


Johnny Cupcakes Los Angeles Store oven teaser

I love how Johnny Cupcakes seems to have an attitude that magic can happen, and he makes it happen. Its an attitude that I like, and would like to emulate, but unfortunately I don’t own a successful t-shirt business, so my ideas remain stuck in my ideas book (I really do have one).The above picture is a good example of that. Johnny Cupcakes is opening a store on Melrose Avenue in Los Angeles and he’s got the guys who make engineering projects for Disney to create some custom made contraptions that will help to make the shop extra special . That green thing that JC is stood next to is just a tiny corner of a massive 10 foot tall vintage oven that will be in the shop (more pics in the thumbs), presumably non-functioning. I can’t imagine how cool that the shop is going to look in mid-June when it opens, so I’ll be keeping an eye on JCs blog for more photos.

Just so that this post wasn’t a total tease, this weekend (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) you can get free shipping at by using the coupon code UPS step four of the checkout process. Please note this only applies to US Ground shipping, sorry my international friends.

Johnny Cupcakes

Johnny Cupcakes Los Angeles Store teaser Johnny Cupcakes Los Angeles Store oven teaser


Mauve Moves to a New Store!

by Andy on March 13, 2008

Anyone remember the lovely people that generously sponsored the Christmas giveaway which had more than $200 worth od prizes up for grabs? No prizes this time for remembering that it was Mauve. They’ve moved their retail store to a new location at 507 East Balboa, Newport Beach, so if you’re in the area (possibly on a fan tour recreating scenes from The O.C.) pop by and check it out. Tell them Andy from HYA sent you, you won’t get any discount, but it will make me feel important.




Lazy Oaf are opening a pop-up shop (which seem to be all the rage nowadays) on Ganton Street, London, whilst they give their regular shop at Kingly Court a makeover. I visited the Kingly Court shop during my recent trip to London, but didn’t have the balls to introduce myself since they probably wouldn’t have known who I was. Which would have been awkward.

Anyway, I was very impressed with the quality level when I went, and can now wholeheartedly recommend them based upon experience rather than my usual standard of ‘it looks cool so it probably is cool’. Here’s the deets about the temporary store:

This will be no normal shop though- Oh no! This is our super dooper bargainous sale extravaganza pop-up shop where you will most certainly be overcome by cheap thrills galore!

Most of the tees will be priced at £10 or …wait for it… 3 t-shirts for a teeny tiny amount of £20. Lovely.

Sweatshirts will be reduced down to £20 and polo-shirts, £15. Mmmm, nice.

So, everything MUST go, as we need to make room for lots more yummy stuff when the brand new, fresh and spangly shop re-opens. WE CANNOT WAIT!

The sale shop opens at Number 2, Ganton Street (see map) on Saturday 8th March at 12 noon for 7 days, 11am-7pm. See you there with your purse, ready for frenzied shopping!

This is an in-store sale only, because of a recent web sale they had, which I may or may not have remembered to post about.

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